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Post by madcowmisha on Nov 2, 2013 15:18:04 GMT -5
Greetings all! Michael here, aka DM Misha, aka OGF Misha (if any of you frequented the RPG Forums on AOL back in the day). Anyways, long time gamer who's coming back to tabletop D&D after a 14 year break. Before my break, my play style heavily utilized tabletop maps, mats, scenery, miniatures etc.. The more the better in my eyes! So now that I've decided to play tabletop again, and with my entire RPG collection sold off years ago, I had to start from scratch! That's where youtube came in, and I found these awesome videos from DM Scotty and theDMG!! Now, while a huge fan of 3D scenery (Dwarven Forge etc.), my pocket book this time around, plus the wife, said NO! So this new concept of game tiles and 2.5 tiles intrigued me. Commercial game tiles can still be costly, but home made 2.5 tiles seemed like the way to go! So I got the wife's blessing, bought a few needed materials/tools, and off I went! s1303.photobucket.com/user/cfdltsmith/library/In this library are the following: My First 2.5 tile. I use foamboard vs cardboard!? I'm still jonesing for 3d scenery, so for my Hirst Arts pieces, I use foamboard as well. Based in black, then sprayed with stone texture paint, then sprayed again with black. Also made some columns. Some Hedgerow tiles I made. I really wanted to make some shrub walls, and after a lot of searching and advice from my groups on facebook, settled on scouring pads! The tile in back is my first attempt. The tile in front is a better version, including some fences I made from popsicle sticks! Some Wood floor tiles. Used popsicle sticks again. Washed in black then drybrushed with shades of brown. A Pit Trap tile. I got a 4x4 treasure tile from a trade on FB, so I wanted to create a pit tile that housed the "illusionary" treasure pile. This was my first attempt, using the popsicle stick wood floors again. After watching more & more videos from DM Scotty and theDMG, and seeing the community's projects here, I've got some things on my "to do" list... - I've got my list of "pieces" I need to make thanks to theDMG, but I found a way I want to do them thanks to a member here, Giuliano. Using printed "floor tiles", I'll attach them to my foamboard shapes for the specified piece. Then add the walls! - I want to create some 3d/2.5 buildings using DM Scotty's method - And I'm currently in the process of building a "game board" which will be the center piece of my gaming sessions! Basically a 15" x 18" tiled board, with routed edges, that my group will use vs say a paizo/chessex mat! So, in closing, I'm glad to be a part of this awesome community now! I look forward to receiving your feedback on my current and future projects! DM MISHA
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Post by dmbrad on Nov 2, 2013 15:56:12 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum! The more the merrier, I look forward to seeing more from you.
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Post by bloodchoke on Nov 2, 2013 18:30:36 GMT -5
Nice stuff! I really like the hedgegrow tile, wish I had seen that before I made the courtyard for Madness at Gardmore Abbey. Also really like the wooden floor with the hole busted through.
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Post by AJ on Nov 3, 2013 8:22:22 GMT -5
Welcome crafter! Love that broken planked floor piece.
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Post by dm1scotty on Nov 3, 2013 9:34:32 GMT -5
Glad to have you. Crafting your own stuff from cheap materials really is a great way to save money and time over the full 3D stuff
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Post by monkeywithtacos on Nov 3, 2013 11:25:53 GMT -5
Very nice work, and welcome to the craft... Can't wait to see more and more
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Post by belatucadras on Nov 3, 2013 11:37:24 GMT -5
Love the hedge!
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Post by madcowmisha on Nov 3, 2013 15:19:47 GMT -5
Ok, call me crazy, but I just came up with my next project after watching some more videos! Now some background first. When I quit tabletop D&D back in 2000, I started playing online. And I got addicted to EverCrack (I mean EverQuest) lol! I played (play) this game on and off, and my love of Giants, helped me decide to make this! s1303.photobucket.com/user/cfdltsmith/media/eastwastes6_zps9dbd8f2a.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0My homage to all things Giant, plus my love for Everquest, I have decided to take on Ry'Gorr Keep, home to a small band of Frost Giants! So here's the plan: s1303.photobucket.com/user/cfdltsmith/media/frostgiantfort_zps4fed5abb.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1Utilizing a full sheet of foam board, I will try and recreate Ry'Gorr Keep to the best of my ability! With some modifications that is... - I know for a fact that the central chamber and the sleeping chambers will be done with 3d buildings on top that can be lifted away to display the 2.5 tiles underneath. - Not sure how I'm going to tackle the towers/walls. I remember in game you could stand atop the walls. Don't know if I wanna do these 3d or not yet to tie in with the main structure. - Being this is a snow covered scene, I'm wondering if some company out there makes rolls of snow!? You know like how you can buy a roll of grass and just roll it out and BAM, you got a field of grass! But also, with Christmas coming up, I'm sure something like this is on the market! Can anyone point me to DM Scotty's video on HOW he paints wood floors? The structures themselves will be stone, but the interior floors are going to be wooden. That's all I can think of at this moment. I'll keep posting as the work progresses, but I'm going to take my time on this project!
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Post by noobinator on Nov 3, 2013 15:47:37 GMT -5
i find using Foamboard for baseboards tends to wind up in bowing.. though if im doing something wrong do let me know xD
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Post by madcowmisha on Nov 3, 2013 16:19:04 GMT -5
IDK... I buy the black 1/4" foamboard sheets from my local walmart. Since they're already black, I skip the initial basing phase and just blast it with texture paint. I haven't noticed any bowing as of yet. I will experiment and get back to ya though.
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Post by madcowmisha on Nov 3, 2013 18:38:23 GMT -5
Correction... Ry'Gorr Keep is home to a clan of Orcs. BUT since this is MY scenery, I'm making it home to Frost Giants!
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kyral
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Post by kyral on Nov 4, 2013 5:48:45 GMT -5
Welcome to the addiction.... I mean boards....
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Post by thedmg on Nov 4, 2013 7:06:42 GMT -5
I officially feel like a crack dealer
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Post by skunkape on Nov 4, 2013 15:38:23 GMT -5
One problem with foamboard is the paper on each side of the foam. What ends up happening is, applying a moist enough substance, glue or whatever on one side, causes the paper on that side to either shrink or stretch, which causes the bowing issue. Just have to make sure to use a low water content glue or paint! Oh and welcome to the forums!
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Post by madcowmisha on Nov 4, 2013 21:54:08 GMT -5
Just wanted to clarify something with you guys. I'm trying to do my 'project' to scale for a Frost Giant (15' tall). I still go by the belief 1 sq inch is 5'. So a standard door for a human is 1" wide, double door 2". If I want a room that's say 40' x 40' (that'd be 8" x 8"), and I do 1/2" walls, would I need to add 1/2" (8.5" x 8.5") to get a 'true' 40' x 40' room? How do you guys do it? Also if going by my rule that a standard door for a human is 1", would it be safe to say a standard door for said Giant would be 3" wide?
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Post by monkeywithtacos on Nov 4, 2013 22:41:20 GMT -5
Correction... Ry'Gorr Keep is home to a clan of Orcs. BUT since this is MY scenery, I'm making it home to Frost Giants! Hehe, I was thinking to myself...it's been years since I was on EQ2, but I recall Ry'gorr being orc territory.... LOL.... That place was fun to run around! Can't wait to see the finished tiles.... If you plan on having 1/2' walls you'll need to add a full inch to the measuremeant each direction to account for the walls on all sides. and if you assume that the giant is 3 times the size of a human then the door needs to be at least 3 times the size. Me I'm a grandiose guy so I'd go at least 4 times the size just because lol.....Good luck!
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Post by dm1scotty on Nov 5, 2013 2:06:36 GMT -5
I am not a fan of the foamboard as free cardboard is everywhere. I also find that foamboard has a tendency to bend and is much harder to cut.
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kyral
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Post by kyral on Nov 5, 2013 6:53:06 GMT -5
I have tried cutting foamboard for some 3D terrain for a wargame and it was more hassle than it was worth. One easy way to cut it is if you just happen to have a band saw or a scroll saw. Otherwise it is a major pain in the rump.
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Post by madcowmisha on Nov 5, 2013 10:20:09 GMT -5
True true. Cardboard would be easier to cut and all. But what's with the different sizes (thicknesses)? Thin cardstock (cereal boxes), single corrugated board, double corrugated!? When/what would be ideal situations to use each different type?
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Post by madcowmisha on Nov 5, 2013 10:24:37 GMT -5
Oh an UPDATE to my EQ/Ry'gorr Keep "project"... After drawing it out to scale the other night, I found that it was gonna be a huge project!!! I'm talking to lay it out properly, with the towers and walls surrounding it, I'd need 2 of the 20x30 foamboard sheets minimum! So, after thinking some more on it, I am taking it back to it's original version of a Orc encampment. This will mean standard doors and walls, so at least I can base everything on 1 sheet.
Is there a disadvantage to solely using the double corrugated cardboard for my buildings and walls? I just seem to like the thickness of it...
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Post by belatucadras on Nov 5, 2013 13:50:21 GMT -5
I use only single corrugated cardboard, well that and cardstock. I have never had an issue using the single corrugated stuff. I have minimal warping and after the paint is all dry, it is pretty sturdy.
As far as there being a disadvantage to double corrugated, I can't really think of one. I believe thdmg uses double consistently for his tiles.
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Post by thedmg on Nov 5, 2013 16:21:41 GMT -5
I use double layer for these reasons. Sturdiness Layering, essentially I get 6 layers in my height restriction for the tiles (3 double layers). This allows me to go up and down in the layers for dimensional effects like stairs, chasms, ramps. As well as allowing for holes for water, lava, acid, etc or just damage.
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Post by madcowmisha on Nov 5, 2013 17:05:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply theDMG! Those reasons are good enough for me to justify it as well!
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Post by madcowmisha on Nov 5, 2013 17:07:58 GMT -5
theDMG, do you still only use 1 sheet for the floor and 1 for the walls? Then for any added effects use 3 layers?
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Post by sgtslag on Nov 5, 2013 17:51:00 GMT -5
Single thickness corrugated cardboard is allegedly more susceptible to warpage; it has been recommended, on other sites, to glue two sheets of single cardboard together, with their grain at 90-degrees, to avoid warpage. The double corrugated cardboard, I believe, has cross-grain between layers already, which also increases stiffness. With regards to scale, and heights, I use the standard 5 feet = 1 inch, for terrain. For miniatures, I go with 25-28mm is eye height from the ground, for a six-foot Human. I then consult my trusty table of heights (calculated, and put into a table for reference sake) for the mm's equal to the height, in feet, I am interested in. I try to stay as close to the 1979 Monster Manual heights, as I can, to get the effect Gygax was trying to create. It really shows up when comparing Giants, which are to scale: AD&D Giant Figure Comparison. I try to do the same for Elves, Goblins, Gnomes, and Dwarves (I am using Caesar's 1/72 scale, fantasy figures for many of these races, when possible). It really shows the size differences Gygax had originally intended. Cheers!
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Post by madcowmisha on Nov 5, 2013 18:51:08 GMT -5
sgtslag, love your blogs!!!
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Post by madcowmisha on Nov 5, 2013 20:02:45 GMT -5
Detailed floor plans for Ry'Gorr Keep! Main building with the 2 adjacent rooms. Main room (40'x40') has a huge firepit in the center. Octagonal room to the right (30'x30') has a raised platform against the East wall, as well as a 2nd floor. Room to the left (20'x20') is just a junk room. Exterior of the complex shows the many towers that surround it. Only thing missing from the pic are the walls which connect the towers. Only entrance is thru the double towers on the South side. The table this is sitting on measures roughly 24" x 32". Final project will be sitting on a sheet of Masonite, covered in snow (I plan on using spray snow for the board and trees, as well as Snow-Dex for the buildings/towers/walls). The main buildings will have 3d shells for show, and I was thinking of doing the towers/walls that way also, but have decided that they will just be "raised" a little. Using double corrugated cardboard, wall sections will be 2 sheets thick, towers 3. I also plan on buying some "small" snow covered trees (like 2" tall) from my local Walmart and littering the exterior with those. I hope this turns out as awesome as it is in my head lol! s1303.photobucket.com/user/cfdltsmith/media/floorplan_zpse365f6a1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0Any comments/suggestions?
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Post by madcowmisha on Nov 6, 2013 13:57:32 GMT -5
BAM!!! Spent the morning doing my 2.5 tiles for the main buildings of my "Ry'Gorr Keep Project". Came out pretty darn good if you ask me! Central room will have a huge fire pit eventually. Room to the East is missing a raised platform against the East wall. Still trying to get the layout right for it. Also, added stairs and a second level which overlooks the room below! Oh, main entrance will also have a carved stone opening eventually too! s1303.photobucket.com/user/cfdltsmith/media/rygorrtiles_zpsed1c17e8.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
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Post by bloodchoke on Nov 6, 2013 14:34:00 GMT -5
So you guys know I gotta weigh in on the foam board...
I really like the Dollar Tree brand for certain projects. Its paper peels off very easily, leaving a foam surface that you can etch anything into, and it's super easy to cut. I then glue the foam sheet to a piece of cardboard, and haven't had any warpage at all. Downside is you have to hand paint it. Spray paint eats away at the foam, leaving a great texture, but the one time I tried it I still had to hand paint another coat of black on top.
If I'm using texture paint though, I'm just going to use cardboard like everyone else said. Regular foamboard is a huge hassle to work with, and cardboard is free.
EDIT: Nice work btw. I'm still loving that hedge tile. Definitely going to steal that from ya at some point...
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