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Post by KrisTheodren on Jun 26, 2013 16:40:35 GMT -5
Hi!
This is my first time here, and I have to say I absolutely love your videos - I had almost bought some D&D tiles when I stumbled on your videos on YouTube and realised how brilliant they were, so thanks very much!
I'm having a few problems though, so if anyone could help me I'd really appreciate it.
I have tried out the water with stepping stones tile, but I can't seem to paint the acrylics over the spray paint; they don't seem to cling, especially where I have used the glue gun to give the water texture. Does anyone know why?
My second problem is the glue gun itself - when I spread the glue and pull the gun away, thin strands of glue cling to it (kind of like melted cheese does when you dip something into it and lift it away). This means I end up with a tile covered in thin strands of glue.
If anyone knows how to solve these problems I'd be really, really, really grateful!
Thanks,
Kris Theodren
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Post by thedmg on Jun 26, 2013 17:45:46 GMT -5
The glue gun strands is normal. I call them wisps. It is difficult to see them in videos as they are so thin, but if you rub the cardboard they come off pretty easily. DmScotty does make a brief mention of this in one of his videos. There are so many I cant remember which at this point. I have the same issue with painting. You must use a matte black and then apply a base colour, so dark blue for water. Then let it dry.Once it is dry it should be easier to paint over the acrylic. With water you let it dry then apply a water based high gloss varnish. That gives it a wet look, but also be aware it darkens by about 15%.
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Post by belatucadras on Jun 26, 2013 19:30:03 GMT -5
I use black primer, not just a matte black paint, for the undercoat. I have never had an issue with the paint not sticking. Even using a sub-par acryli.
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Post by dm1scotty on Jun 26, 2013 19:53:12 GMT -5
Make sure the acrylic is not too thin when you paint over the stone and glue texture, (are you using craft acrylic paint or out of a tube?). The "wisps" are normal, just rub or pull them off like thedmg says. Happy craftin'
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Post by dm1scotty on Jun 26, 2013 19:54:35 GMT -5
...after the hot glue cools a bit you can also smooth out some areas with the hot tip of the gun.
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Post by thedmg on Jun 26, 2013 23:08:21 GMT -5
I don't use the stone texture (hard to find in the land of OZ) so I have no idea what it is like to paint on that... I defer to the knowledge and wisdom of others...
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Post by KrisTheodren on Jun 27, 2013 0:31:12 GMT -5
Thanks for all your responses! I wasn't expecting so many so soon! Right, gotcha! Glad to hear the glue stands thingy isn't just me. My black spray paint is "Shiny Black", does matte mean the opposite of that? Also, should the spray paint be acrylic? Stupid question: what's a black primer? Seems strange to me to have a reply from DM Scotty himself! I bought the primary colours + black/white in little tubs - should I have bought tubes? Thanks for the glue gun tip as well! Same problem here in Italy! (I'm Scots-Italian) I'm having to make do with a silvery/grey spray paint I found in my attic.
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Post by KrisTheodren on Jun 27, 2013 0:36:50 GMT -5
I forgot to ask: when you say to check that the acrylic is not too thin, does that mean not enough on the brush or with too much water? Thanks again!
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Post by thedmg on Jun 27, 2013 1:43:15 GMT -5
I am Eur-Afro-Austral-Asian if that helps The spray paint you are using is called Gloss or Sheen. Matte means it is not reflective, so when it dries it looks flat and you do not see any sort of reflection in it (like a dry leaf). Usually it will say on the can if it is Matte or Gloss (the cap also sometimes is an indicator, Matte will be non-reflective plastic while gloss will be reflective - sometimes, but you can always ask someone at the hardware store - just don't tell them you are building a dungeon, I still have a cop car parked outside my house). The spray paint I get is acrylic. I am sure there are others like latex primer. I bought the one that only cost $2.50 (in Australia that is cheap). I use acrylic from a tube. I can't remember seeing DmScotty's as it always seems to already be in the pallet (note to DMS), but may be on his material videos (there is a playlist on YouTube). I am sure he can elaborate on that. Thin paint sometimes comes out of the tube that way (my brown does that) or you have watered it down a bit (water on the brush). If it is watered down the paint flows off the spraypaint on the hotglue leaving the ridges exposed in the undercoat (I assume that is your current problem). Don't add any water, just paint it on straight and let it dry, then apply more. That "should" work... I am sure there are other options that others can elaborate on, that is just what I do...
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Post by KrisTheodren on Jun 27, 2013 3:08:32 GMT -5
I am Eur-Afro-Austral-Asian if that helps The spray paint you are using is called Gloss or Sheen. Matte means it is not reflective, so when it dries it looks flat and you do not see any sort of reflection in it (like a dry leaf). Usually it will say on the can if it is Matte or Gloss (the cap also sometimes is an indicator, Matte will be non-reflective plastic while gloss will be reflective - sometimes, but you can always ask someone at the hardware store - just don't tell them you are building a dungeon, I still have a cop car parked outside my house). The spray paint I get is acrylic. I am sure there are others like latex primer. I bought the one that only cost $2.50 (in Australia that is cheap). I use acrylic from a tube. I can't remember seeing DmScotty's as it always seems to already be in the pallet (note to DMS), but may be on his material videos (there is a playlist on YouTube). I am sure he can elaborate on that. Thin paint sometimes comes out of the tube that way (my brown does that) or you have watered it down a bit (water on the brush). If it is watered down the paint flows off the spraypaint on the hotglue leaving the ridges exposed in the undercoat (I assume that is your current problem). Don't add any water, just paint it on straight and let it dry, then apply more. That "should" work... I am sure there are other options that others can elaborate on, that is just what I do... Great, thanks! That'll be another trip down to the shop for me today On a side note: The glue gun I bought was *very* cheap (EUR 10.40), and the glue doesn't seem to be very soft when I stick it to the cardboard, which means I have trouble sticking pieces together. Is this because it's a bad gun? On a second side note: When I try to add black to blue to get *deep* blue, I seem to get *yucky* blue instead. Is this avoidable or do I have to fork out another EUR 3.50 for each different shade? Grazie mille!
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Post by thedmg on Jun 27, 2013 7:01:08 GMT -5
Be very sparing with the black. Add only a little at a time.
Let the glue gun sit for a while to heat up. The glue should start to ooze out of the barrel. It will be almost runny.
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Post by belatucadras on Jun 27, 2013 7:53:29 GMT -5
The craft paint DMS uses appears to come in a sort of squeeze bottle and is runnier then the tube acrylics. More of a craft paint. The tube kind is more likely an artists type.
Primer is formulated to bond better to the surface that is to be painted. It gives the paint a more uniform surface to adhere to. It usually comes in black, white, grey or rust colored. It is not really necessary to use a primer, just my preference as it is readily available to me.
If you are using a high gloss paint as a base coat, try switching to a matte color. It may be that the varnish that causes the paint to be shiny is causing your other paints to have trouble bonding properly.
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Post by thedmg on Jun 27, 2013 8:03:33 GMT -5
If you are really brave and clean your brushes, mix in some white glue. That should thicken the paint AND bond it better :)I have not tried this so there is no warranty on this information...
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Post by KrisTheodren on Jun 27, 2013 8:23:22 GMT -5
Excellent, thanks! I'm popping to the store today so I'll get on the case! My paintbrushes I just found in the attic from years ago, so I'm not worried about testing the thickening method! I suppose I'll give my glue gun another chance too...
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Post by belatucadras on Jun 27, 2013 8:33:23 GMT -5
As far as getting an undesireable color when mixing with black paint: some black paints are not truly black. They can be very dark greens, blues or reds.
I have a friend that is color blind and he has a bit of a laugh when he sees people who think they are dressed all in black and he sees a hodgepodge of blues.
Try lightening your black and see if it stays true or wanders to another hue. Hey, look at that. I am a poet.
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Post by dm1scotty on Jun 27, 2013 9:43:04 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments non-USAers. I do have a paint vid but I have realized over the course of my crafting that we have many friends out of the states. As stated make sure you use a flat non-gloss spray black. Gloss black is super hard to paint over and it takes a long time to dry and doesn't cover as easily. I have had people try to use gouache (basically a water color paint), and it is not the same as acrylic as it is way too thin. In the states I buy most of my colors pre-mixed because we have super cheap acrylic craft paint (simply a watered down acylic paint ready out of the bottle to paint on the surface). Hope all this has helped you on your crafting. P.S.-You can repaint your ruined pieces with the flat black and save them
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Post by KrisTheodren on Jun 30, 2013 17:15:52 GMT -5
Thanks again everyone for your posts! The matte black finish did the trick; my acrylics are now clinging to the cardboard like there's no tomorrow. All was going well until I dropped the spray can and it started spraying uncontrollably - luckily I was able to hold my hands over the end so my floor tiles were only slightly hit. My hands were drenched though . It took me what seemed AGES to realise that I only had to remove the spray head. Oh we'll, you can't win 'em all!
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Post by thedmg on Jun 30, 2013 18:21:38 GMT -5
Now you can join The Black Hand assassin's guild. Free membership with every spray can accident.
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Post by dm1scotty on Jun 30, 2013 20:46:45 GMT -5
I joined that guild long ago...lol. Glad we could help KrisTheodren.
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Post by kyral on Jun 30, 2013 23:15:37 GMT -5
Yeah I have to hold most things when I spray them (minis, 3D type terrain aka the Huts I made and a few other projects) and the last ones I sprayed (the hut tops) I kept hitting my hand with the black spray paint, after the third time I said screw it and ended up finishing the other 2. When I walked back inside the house the wife just looked at me to my hand then back to me. I could see the question forming and before she could ask all I said was "The spray paint needed to be taught a lesson." then I went and scrubbed my hand down for about 5 minutes to get 99.9% of the paint off my hand.
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Post by thedmg on Jul 1, 2013 2:10:48 GMT -5
I just mop it up with the cats...
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Post by caveman on Jul 4, 2013 11:12:55 GMT -5
Trick for removing paint from your hands: put a dollop of white sugar in your hands after you've built up some soap lather, and then scrub away. The sugar's abrasive properties will scour pretty stubborn paint off AND make your hands oh-so-soft, although I'm not sure how it will work for those who have essentially tagged themselves... (BTW: the sugar trick also works for countertop stains.)
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