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Post by unclebilly on Dec 27, 2012 18:39:09 GMT -5
Any tips on making wall of fire markers or other wall for spell casters. I just made a set of the markers for Ice and would like to make others for when they are needed.
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Post by onethatwas on Dec 27, 2012 23:29:28 GMT -5
I'm still trying to sort out ideas on making flames in an easy way (so I can make torches that can be places on the top of some pedastels I made for flames)...At this point I am thinking that the best option is to carve the flame out of foam, but I dislike the idea because A) it's messy and foam isn't an ideal material, B) It's time consuming, which isn't the point, and C) I don't think it will pull off the effect I'm going for.
I thought of using clay, but again it is time consuming and not easy.
One option is to use cardstock and create a 3D effect with it by curling it around itself and using hot glue...but I worry that the hot glue will cause problems with the effect I am going for.
So, well, those are torches, and you want a wall of fire. Perhaps so you can make that wall circular and have a burning ring of fire. And it will burn burn burn...
Anyway, I would suggest that for a fire wall, cardstock may be the best option for simplicity. You can cut three layers of card in a horizontal line and add flame effect details, maybe crumple them a bit (like the broken pillars), glue them together, and add hot glue in a way that looks fire-like (following the curve of the flame pattern you cut out)....paint and you're done. Not sure how it will look in the end, but at least it's a start.
Oh, a note about cutting the flame patterns on the three seperate card sheets: Irregularity is the key here, so DO NOT make the flame pattern look the same on the three card stock plys you craft. In fact, I would suggest irregularity in height too.
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Post by danielc on Dec 27, 2012 23:37:38 GMT -5
What about cellophane colored with various markers and then crumpled to fit the base you cut out?
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Post by onethatwas on Dec 27, 2012 23:43:05 GMT -5
Wall of stone I *would* suggest foam (the effect works)
Wall of Ice Foam may be a good base, but you may want to use card stock as a casing and then add effects of ice-like texture (irregular but ultimately straight edged lines in jagged patterns for instance) or go with another medium. The gelatinous cube concept works, if you get enough of those dice cases. Or use clear plasticard (They usually sell some at hobby stores).
Wall of thorns are already presented by DM Scotty. And walls of force are pretty much just markers along lines you dictate. I think that covers *most* of the standard walls.
Oh, speaking of walls of force, here is a devious, TPK trap idea:
6 Walls of force aligned to create a seamless cube (or you could use a pyramid or other closed 3D polygonal construct) with three bottles inside: An Efreeti Bottle (An actual Efreeti Bottle, not that fake one), an opened Decanter of endless water, and an opened bottle of air.
The Cube of Force basically holds the incredible built up pressure of the two opened bottles that builds up over time, which in turn puts pressure on the Efreeti bottle (anyone want to say Migraine on an already angry and unpredictable powerful entity that can grant wishes?).
Now, put a triggered effect that creates a Mordenkainen's Disjunction with one of the cube facings at it's spell effect edge (That way it doesn't ruin the other magical effects, specifically the items).
Now, there may be a few rules lawyery objections to the logic of what happens here. To that, I say: Shut up Rules Lawyer, I am the DM and I say it goes. Essentially the built up pressure creates what is the D&D equivalent of a hydrogen bomb. You figure out damage. Any survivors get their prize: an Efreeti with a migraine and a poor disposition to do any wish granting.
Curtesy of a crazy gnome wizard. Because he could. Thar you go, something to do in case you feel like truly being evil and killing your entire party for being annoying. Or for not bringing Mt. Dew. Whichever works.
...Hey, just because I don't endorse PC death doesn't mean I can't dream up creative ways to make it happen. Don't judge!
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Post by dm1scotty on Dec 28, 2012 9:09:02 GMT -5
Nuke=Insta death...no damage roll required...lol
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Post by dm1scotty on Dec 28, 2012 9:10:14 GMT -5
I have done walls of fire and i will do a vid.
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Post by hideousprime on Dec 28, 2012 11:24:43 GMT -5
I think paizo has a torch made from clear plastic and the base is a quarter moon shape and fits around the mini base.
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Post by danielc on Dec 29, 2012 12:54:30 GMT -5
I think paizo has a torch made from clear plastic and the base is a quarter moon shape and fits around the mini base. Those are made by Litko and are a resale item at Paizo. Litko has a lot of great stuff, but it is not cheap.
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Post by steel on Dec 29, 2012 18:02:36 GMT -5
I'm not in favor of making temporary things such as walls a major project. Right now i use little squares of clear plastic that work for bursts and blasts, but i also have small dots that fill the square (because i still use grids. don't try to talk me out, it's a decision i made for my players who are still new, i'll eventually get it there). I got these folders that work great because they're easily cut, and they come in a lot of diffrent colors, i got ones for ice, fire, force, radiant, darkness (the dark ones i use a lot to cover up my dungeon) and a lot more. The best thing is they are only about a dollar each and you can get so much out of each folder
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Post by hideousprime on Dec 29, 2012 20:56:40 GMT -5
not sure why I didn't finish my thoughts but... they also make flame markers. Thanks danielc, I was looking up paizo things on ebay and ran across the markers. So I just assumed.
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Post by onethatwas on Dec 29, 2012 23:03:31 GMT -5
Nuke=Insta death...no damage roll required...lol Exactly. However, if you want to be fair to the rules lawyer, then I'd say gather all the dice in the place you're playing (I play at a hobby store, so that's alot of dice just in sale items, which the owner lets everyone use if they are single dice and not those cubed deals. Also, not mentioning any gamers present...) and roll for damage. It should have the same effect. If someone is smart and decides to stay back at the Tavern in case the rest of the group comes to a hideous end via crazy magibomb crafting gnome, then they can have the angry efreet. I say Smoosh.
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Post by danielc on Dec 30, 2012 1:13:56 GMT -5
not sure why I didn't finish my thoughts but... they also make flame markers. Thanks danielc, I was looking up paizo things on ebay and ran across the markers. So I just assumed. Yes, Litko has lots of fun things on their site. Some not carried by Paizo. They also have prototype stuff that comes up once in a while as well. Right now i use little squares of clear plastic that work for bursts and blasts, but i also have small dots that fill the square . Steel, I have been known to use pennies to mark things as well. They are flat, minis can stand on them, they are easy to cover with paper and you can clor coat them, etc.
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Post by steel on Dec 30, 2012 13:56:49 GMT -5
ah right, pennies. that's a good idea, unfortunately i've already bought it so; durrr...
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Post by griffonwing on Jan 4, 2013 3:37:56 GMT -5
Off the top of my head (let me know if this won't work)
Take some wire mesh, and cut the mesh into the shape of flickering fire. The stronger the mesh, the best.
Lay the mesh flat onto some wax paper, cover with hot glue just as you would lava or water.
Wait until glue dries, then peel it off, turn over and glue the other side. Once this is done, you should have a fairly strong wall of hot-glue covered mesh.
Paint like fire and hotglue to a cardstock base.
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Post by skunkape on Jan 4, 2013 9:21:45 GMT -5
If you don't mind cardstock, World Works Games makes a few PDFs that have walls of fire, smoke, etc that I've bought which work pretty well.
If you're in a situation like I am and don't have a working printer at home, you can always print out the pages on regular paper and use spray adhesive to mount it on cardstock, then cut, fold, assemble.
Thought of something else, you could also use cotton balls, glue them to some form of base, then tease them into a flame shape, then paint them various colors, starting with a fire look toward the bottom then smoke toward the top.
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