farfade
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Post by farfade on Oct 30, 2013 4:56:18 GMT -5
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Post by dm1scotty on Oct 30, 2013 5:48:05 GMT -5
Very cool thanks for sharing.
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sgtslag
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Post by sgtslag on Oct 30, 2013 7:19:00 GMT -5
I am using them. I mix my 1/72 with 25mm-28mm figures. The 1/72 are great for Elves, as per the AD&D Monster Manual, as they are much smaller stature than the Humans, as they should be, according to Gygax. I purchased some sets of the excellent Dark Alliance Orcs riding Worgs. I plan to paint the "Orcs" as Goblins, due to their small size. They will fit in perfectly. I also purchased sets of Caesar Goblins, Orcs, and Elves -- all excellent sculpts! The Goblins painted up very fast, and easy, as they are mostly bare-skinned, so little to detail, and only 2-3 colors needed. I even used some as riders for both Prince August Wolves (cast from their molds; had a bunch left over, sans riders, from a Battle of Five Armies game, years back), as well as using them for riders on Giant Bats, for aerial cavalry. If I could do it over, I would only buy 1/72 for the main races, and supplement them with larger monster models, as needed. Oh, well. Live and learn. The 1/72 plastics are amazing quality, and so very affordably priced... Cheers!
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Post by northtroll on Oct 30, 2013 9:27:41 GMT -5
I have about 120 lead dark ages figs that are 20mm/1:72 scale. I use them as is, or for an army of dwarves. The release of the plastic 1:72 scale figures is truly wonderful for many who are on a budget. The nice thing about this slightly smaller scale is that many larger figures make really great giants! Smaller dragons become huge compared to the smaller figures.
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Post by monkeywithtacos on Oct 30, 2013 13:18:47 GMT -5
1/72 elves are way too much smaller imho, lol... that puts them at halfling size...but to each their own.
If memory serves, the Elves averaged about 5'4 according to the "Gygaxian" system, but according to the "Tolkien" system they were closer to 6'6". In our D&D games we always viewed High Elves/Eladrin as being the Tolkien type and the wild, wood, grey and drow as being the "Gygaxian" types...
As for the 72mm figs, they are much less common here in the US than elsewhere from what I have seen, but they are quite beautiful figures and seem to be reasonably priced. My only hangups are 1) I already own a crap ton of 28mm figs ans 2) I have enough trouble painting the 28mm figs, smaller ones would be murder.
Very cool thing about the 2.5d dungeons is their versatility and ability to be used for any scale you prefer!
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sgtslag
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Post by sgtslag on Oct 30, 2013 19:16:42 GMT -5
Actually, I did the measurements, and the math: if a 28mm 'scale' figure (28mm to the eyes) is actually 30mm tall, and six scale feet tall, then a 1/72 scale figure works out as follows... The female mage figure, in the Caesar's Elves set, which is 23mm tall, works out to be 4' 7" tall, compared to a 6-foot tall, 30mm figure. The male Elven Archer figure, is 25mm tall (guess-timating, as he is wearing a conical helmet), which makes him 5-feet tall. I went back to Gygax's 1979 AD&D Monster Manual (MM), and the original AD&D Dungeon Master's Guide, for heights on Elves: Elves are 5'+ tall. That means that a 25mm (5 scale feet) tall Elf, standing next to a 30mm (6 scale feet) tall Human, is properly sized, as per 1st Ed. AD&D. We've gotten so accustomed to Human-sized, Elven figures, that anything smaller, looks odd. Pull out your 1st Ed. AD&D Player's Handbook, and turn to page 18; have a look at the drawing of the different races, standing next to each other, for size comparison. You will notice that the female Elf Mage is quite a bit smaller in stature, than the Human male Fighter she is standing next to! Now put a 1/72 scale figure next to a 30mm figure, and look between them, and that drawing... [Grin] One of the things we have lost, over the years, is the size differences. When I read the heights of the various Giants, in the MM, it didn't jump off the page at me, just how different they are in stature. When I calculated how big the miniatures needed to be, to accurately match up with the MM's numbers, I was shocked how very different they are! Take a look at my size comparison page, for Giant figures, and you will see just how jarring the differences: link. I've been trying to get figures that match up with the size differences in the MM, as it really brings to light the differences in the various races, which is something that gets overlooked, so much. Gygax developed D&D from a miniatures war game, using figures to represent the various races. An awful lot got lost when players dropped the figures, for paper and pencil. I am having a blast trying to recapture what Gygax had in his games. YMMV. Cheers!
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Post by monkeywithtacos on Oct 30, 2013 20:01:36 GMT -5
Interesting and you are correct as far as height, and I was apparently recalling 2e vs 1st, but looking at the two side by side, even though the height may be accurate the scale seems off to me. I wish I still had my old 1st and 2nd ed books, I'd give my left ....well you get the picture.... to have them all still, lol... Then again...looking at this it seems closer than I remembered, but it still looks ...wrong.. to me.... even the dwarf, which I think has gotten to be too big in newer editions, looks very "gnomish" here.... But I do have to admit, I much prefer the Tolkien sizes when it comes to "surface" elves (but i don't usually play them as such), and a 5' tall drow just seems too short...although they say that Triel Baenre was about that size... and just for giggles and info, the size charts for 3rd and 4th editions.... (couldn't find 2e) and Pathfinder.... (all this just for info, not meaning to derail the thread, as I find it interesting.....)
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Post by northtroll on Oct 31, 2013 9:05:48 GMT -5
Oh don't let the whole scale thing too seriously. Today's miniatures are closer to 30mm or 32mm anyway. Use what you like and don't sweat the small stuff. I have everything from "true" 25mm to 32mm figures. Let the players pick what they like and play the game is my motto.
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