apokism
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If a Treant fell over in the woods, would it make a sound?
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Post by apokism on Oct 17, 2013 22:04:42 GMT -5
I'm currently looking for any ideas or ways to go about making rolling dunes(of sand). I'm a little stumped on how to go about doing this. I also will be using the dunes as a stand alone piece(or at least that's the idea) much like you would with trees and other foliage.
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Post by monkeywithtacos on Oct 17, 2013 22:53:20 GMT -5
The best way I have found for this is a rather overlooked yet simple one: There are several companies out there that make terrain mats, that come in different types; grass, desert, snow, etc. i use one of those and place objects underneath it to raise it up to create hills and valleys. I have also seen it done with cloth and fabric. Hope this is helpful.....
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Post by belatucadras on Oct 18, 2013 0:28:17 GMT -5
What MwT said is good, but if you want actual terrain peices, you might try DMscottie's toilet tissue and glue method to make mounds of whatever size you like then cover them in sand. You could do a couple of layers of sand/glue to be certain you are getting good coverage and no TP is peeking through.
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apokism
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If a Treant fell over in the woods, would it make a sound?
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Post by apokism on Oct 18, 2013 2:06:32 GMT -5
Well since i have sand and enough TP for my butt load, I'll go with the Scotty method. I actually did think of placing something under my desert themed map, but I'm planning on making the dunes like golems.. or well i guess elementals, I'll need them be move able. Thanks guys, going to do the above mention and try and see if I can come up with anything else.
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tauster
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Post by tauster on Oct 18, 2013 3:24:01 GMT -5
Good tips so far! Using sand on desert-themed tiles has the advantage that you don't have to paint it up. I recommend doing some research on dunes; my guess is that they are normally so large and high that building them as terrain with the right scale would require immensely huge terrain pieces. Just a guess... If you really want to put some effort into this, take a look here. Michael from TerranScapes is a professional terrain crafter - his works are pieces of beauty that are so well done that thay can really intimidate you sometimes. For me, he is one of the gods of terrainmaking. He did a series of videos on his desert gaming tiles: I haven't watched this series so far, just saved them for later inspiration because desert tiles are quite high up on my to do list. So please do post your progress and end results here, I am mightily interested how they turn out!
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Post by monkeywithtacos on Oct 18, 2013 5:09:19 GMT -5
Those are seriously badass. I have seen his work before and it is breathtaking!
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Post by belatucadras on Oct 18, 2013 6:40:08 GMT -5
Yeah, those are pretty nice. At the mention of craftable dunes, I assumed small scale stuff more like obstacles. The truly large ones would just be your playing surface.
If when you say you want them to turn into elementals, do you mean elemental rising from the sand? Thebrave did some crafted elementals that could be easily converted to sand types. Either the stone elemental (sandstone colored with smaller bits around it) or the swirling air elemental (I think he use tissue for that) could be covered in sand for a whirling sand devil.
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Post by skunkape on Oct 18, 2013 12:29:16 GMT -5
I've been looking at creating hills whether they be sand dunes or forested hills, I'm going to use the same method. I like really detailed scenery (heavy model railroader background), but also want to make sure my terrain is usable when playing. So, I like to combine the two worlds of thought.
The direction I'm going with hills is to create a cardboard piece with multiple layers, then I'll add a very light slope using either toilet paper or paper towels. The main idea is to make it of a slow increase in height, that minis can still stand on without falling over! Once I get some pieces done, hopefully this weekend, I'll post some pictures.
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Post by tauster on Oct 18, 2013 14:29:14 GMT -5
The direction I'm going with hills is to create a cardboard piece with multiple layers, then I'll add a very light slope using either toilet paper or paper towels. The main idea is to make it of a slow increase in height, that minis can still stand on without falling over! Once I get some pieces done, hopefully this weekend, I'll post some pictures. I've tried that method some years ago... Be prepared that the cardboard will warp very much!
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Post by northtroll on Oct 18, 2013 15:54:37 GMT -5
Warping, hmmm, yeah that would be a problem with that much wet stuff. Perhaps if you hot glued the basic contours together it would be less of a problem, but I doubt it. However, another route to do the project might be to use a basic structure out of cardboard, and chunks of foam or wood scraps. What this does is rise up the level of the hill, and provide high point for the covering. Over this framework you would use a large piecee of plain brown wrapping paper. You can crumple this up to get a less flat look and it will lay over the frame work better if you do. Only the highest points would be glued to the paper, and the over lapping paper can be either glued to the base with a thin layer of hot glue, or you could even tape it onto the bottom. After that you could easily paint and flock it any way you want to.
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apokism
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If a Treant fell over in the woods, would it make a sound?
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Post by apokism on Oct 19, 2013 12:01:45 GMT -5
Attempted the toilet paper. glue and water method. Will have some pics when it dries. But to do it, i actually cheated a little. I took an old spray bottle filled it half way with water and a butt tone of Elmers(shake well) and applied it liberally. After that I took the elmers glue and with damp hands I smeared the glue around the dune and then added sand.
Edit- Forgot to mention that I am going out to gather supplies for use on TerranScape style mesa boards. That was some really beautiful work and I need to replicate!
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Post by skunkape on Oct 21, 2013 9:35:10 GMT -5
The direction I'm going with hills is to create a cardboard piece with multiple layers, then I'll add a very light slope using either toilet paper or paper towels. The main idea is to make it of a slow increase in height, that minis can still stand on without falling over! Once I get some pieces done, hopefully this weekend, I'll post some pictures. I've tried that method some years ago... Be prepared that the cardboard will warp very much! Yes you must be very careful that you don't warp your cardboard! I've been doing cardstock modeling for years and if you don't use the right glues, your pieces can warp quite a bit! Usually an office glue with low water content is the best you use!
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Post by markd1733 on Oct 24, 2013 20:58:47 GMT -5
I am thinking that foam is a good idea here. You can really make smooth rolling surfaces if you work swiftly, but carefully through the foam. Depending on the height of the dunes, you may need to stack foam first.
The other thought would be to follow the railroad terrain path and use the plaster fabric. It works well, but you must work to smooth it well so as not to have to sand too much afterwards.
For sand elementals, I would make basic humanoid shapes outta model magic or similar air dry clay and then coat with glue and then sand, kinda like shake and bake. :-)
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